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Very disappointing, I agree. I'd hoped Americans had grown up a bit more. I'm particularly astonished that this happened in California. *looks disgusted*

I know, I for sure thought California would have not passes this rule..especially with San Francisco and Los Angeles, I just don't know.

It's astounds me, honestly. I find it difficult to understand why anyone would deliberately stand in the way of someone else's happiness...particularly when it has absolutely nothing to do with THEM.

I know, seriously, they don;t really have a reason for this proposition anyway! Other than to be disciminatory, obviously.

*nods* Just inflicting their own personal biases on other people. That's what infuriates me. It's one thing to have your own beliefs...to discuss them. It's quite another to feel you have the right to force others to live by those beliefs.

Exactly. It's just pointless to have it, and it just pisses me off.

You're not alone in being pissed off.

I'm not going to argue with you on that point.

It's just ridiculous.

It's ridiculous, it's discriminatory, it's stupid, and it undermines the entire American ideal, from freedom to the Pledge of Allegiance (Liberty for all? No) and it's bigotry.

Exactly, we are just making ourselves look more cruel than we already are, and just worse in general. Yeah land of the free alright. *eyeroll*

And the argument about how this is a 'Christian' nation just pisses me off. This country was built on freedom of religion and the need to escape discrimination.

Now look at us. We are the same as England was then.

Yeah, one not everyone in the nation is a Christian, let alone religious, so they shouldn't base it on that anyway.

Yeah we really have dug ourselves a deep hole.

Plus the separation of Church and State.

Hopefully? The American people will keep wanting and working for change and not just think: Oh, we elected a different President who wants change, now we can go back to the couch.

I hope so too. If they want it they have to fight.

This country was built on freedom of religion and the need to escape discrimination.

Actually, that's just the pretty answer we give for going to America. Most settlements would not let you in if you were not whatever religion they were. And heaven forbid you be anything other than Christian (preferably whatever denomination they were, but hey).

The religious reasons for coming to America were the desire to be the majority, actually. All of these little churches were sick of getting past over in favor of the Church of England or Catholicism.

Comparing us to England in the 18th century is pretty amusing, too. England really wasn't terrible to us at all. And I'm pretty sure "taxation without representation" (and those taxes were repealed the moment Americans started hollering, too) isn't nearly the same as "gay marriage"

Oh, no, I'm not comparing "taxation without representation" with gay marriage. I have an entirely different argument for the American comparison to that.

If that's the pretty answer we give for going to America, then we should be upholding it.

You compared modern day America to 18th century Great Britain. Great Britain was in no way tyrannical towards the Colonies, the Colonies just realized that like a teenager on their eighteenth birthday, they could "move out" so to speak. However, "We're rebelling 'cause we CAN so HAH" doesn't look great on paper and certainly wouldn't have convinced France or Spain to align with us. We were not being religiously oppressed, even when we were a part of Great Britain, we just felt out-numbered.

That's politics. Pretty answers are made for textbooks so our future generation doesn't think we were a bunch of scum. They're social niceties and in no way binding. America is filled with ignorant people, and it's ridiculous that Prop 8 was passed, but you can't use the "We were founded on the basis of [insert something here]" either for or against Prop 8 because times were different then. Homosexuality would have been outlawed or classified as a mental illness in the America that we set up in the 1700s, the issues we face today weren't even in the minds of our founding fathers. Truth to tell, our Founding Fathers would be not just disgusted with modern America, but the modern world because their paradigms are different than ours.

In short: Prop 8 sucks, but Americans have the right to vote and you can't be upset because people don't share your beliefs. You can disagree, certainly, but those people aren't any better or worse for feeling how they do.

Yes, I did compare those two, but I have a multitude of points for that argument that I didn't list, and honestly, I'm not getting into that here. We did have reasons to rebel, even though they weren't necessarily being tyrannical.

This member of the future generation thinks that they were a bunch of scum anyways and while, sure, we've made progress, the biggest chance is who we discriminate against.

I can most definitely be upset about people discriminating against me when it's on a large enough scale to take away a fundamental right.

Hey, hey, some of us voted against that bullshit.

I know! I am not saying that every single American is uncaring, I couldn't fit that into six words that's all.

Yeah, I suppose it lacks a footnote feature. It was really close in the end, though. I suspect we haven't seen the last of it. I sure hope not.

I'm guessing you live in California?

Los Angeles born and bred.

Well I am glad you voted against it.

Hey, I figured, just because I happen to be heterosexual doesn't mean I have any right to tell anyone else who to love or whatever. And it certainly doesn't belong in the state constitution, that's just ...well. You know what it is.

Wow. That's almost cynical of you.

Yeah it happens House, usually when I am pissed off, so you really shouldn't be surprised.

The only thing that surprises me is that it took so long. You're finally starting to get it. *wipes away an imaginary tear* I'm so proud.

Oh shut up House.

OOC: Can I friend you? ^_^ I really like your House

You get testy because of an issue that doesn't directly affect you? How does that work?

[ooc: Absolutely :D Thanks very much!]

Because I care for other people. That shouldn't be surprising you.

(Of course! No problem, I have like three House's lol, and they aren't on that much...so the more the merrier I suppose lol)

I didn't ask why. I wanna know how you manage to prevent yourself from imploding every time you turn on the news. Caring that much about random strangers is bad for your health.

Caring for a specific group of people...*frustrated sound*

House you wouldn't even begin to understand how to care for people, let alone one person.

People fear what they don't understand. So if they aren't a part of it, they are afraid of it.

Human nature more than just being an American.

Good point, but I don't understand why some people are that way, there is nothing to be afraid of.

Because they were raised to be afraid. Because their faith tells them to. Because they don't want to educate themselves.

Heaven forbid they not vote your way.

It took America how long to elect a black president? People do not like change. Change scares them. The term "marriage" also puts off the religious people because most people equate marriage with religion and getting married in a church. According to most religions, homosexuality is a sin so it seems insane to them.

That and it's essentially like a black man marrying a white woman a few years ago. They can't wrap their minds around something different. Paradigms are hard to shift.

It'll get amended eventually. And, contrary to your statement, this doesn't mean Americans are uncaring. The opposite really. Ignorant? Yes. But uncaring? No.

Could only fit it into six words, give me a break, plus I was angry, so please forgive me for using the incorrect word. *eyeroll*

Change is inevitable, except from vending machines and God-fearing Americans.

Of course, how did I know you would say that, oh right because you contradict everything I say.

But wait, you hate change.