...no. [That long of a pause should indicate 'yes'.] Maybe. It's an idea. Hey, I always tell 'em they can be anything they want. Self-aware AI have rights and I don't see you telling human kids not to dress up like you.
[Bruce watches curiously from the other side of the lab, glancing up from his own work now and again. He doesn't recognize Tony's project but doesn't interrupt to ask (it's rude, it's distracting, things might blow up). It's not until he passes Tony for a coffee refill that he understands what's actually going on.
The cup stops halfway to his lips with a small laugh, stop the presses chuckle, the ghost of a smile tugging at his lips.]
Maybe. Not all of them. DUM-E really wants to go, though. He's been dropping hints all month. I'm just not sure what we'll do with the candy.
[Yes, Tony is taking this seriously. Because his robots are showing creativity, the desire to do things beyond what they were programmed for, a willingness to explore the world - he feels so proud.]
Although I'd have to go with them. Or get someone to supervise. A lot of weirdos are out there, Bruce.
I don't think any of them have a good enough throwing arm for TPing a house. But if they want to we can attack some bushes and shrubbery. So long as it doesn't tear U's princess costume. Should I be worried Elsa is his favorite princess? Or maybe that's a good thing, her whole thing is emotion and he's always been a little behind the others about that... oh! On that note, if any fliers come to the door from JoAnn's, those are for him and DUM-E.
JARVIS is being a stick in the mud and refusing to do anything for Halloween.
[Dryly, JARVIS chimes in,] Shall I feign the signs of a haunting, sir? I am hardly in the position to dress up.
So that explains why you've been locked in the workshop all day. [ She's hoping that they aren't going to be released on the building... Though really she'd get a kick out of the small parade, she just won't tell him that. ]
Maybe. Maybe not. But I make better costumes than the shit stores sell anyway. [He shrugs, clearly convinced of his words.] Have you seen the awful princess costumes out there? I wouldn't put my robots in those even if they did fit.
One and a half. I'm not that incompetent. The rest of the second store is on speed dial, though. Tulle is a shitty material to work with and whoever invented it is crazy.
[The pause is long enough that it has Steve imagining red, white and blue robots with hubcap sized shields.]
If they want to dress up like that, then it's okay. [A few weeks ago, that was something Steve never thought he'd be saying but now he has no problem thinking of Tony's robots as self-aware.]
But if you're doing it just to see how I'll react, then no.
[He picks up costume parts, turning them in his hands with a thoughtful hum.] So that's your plans, going out with them? No flashy parties, no Halloween fundraiser, no orange exhaust fume paintings in the sky?
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One of them wants to. Remember, they're like kids - they imitate what they like. Then again, one of them wants to go as a Disney princess, so I'm not sure what that means... It's going to be an interesting time taking them trick or treating regardless.
I made the sentient security camera a cape. I couldn't figure anything else out that was very Halloween-y.
Of course I'm going out with them. These are my kids, Bruce. They always come first. Besides, if I hold a fundraiser now the Million Turkey March of November won't be as meaningful as a fundraiser. There is a method to my madness.
And the sentient security camera from the roof is really excited about his new cape. He wants a matching hat so he can be 'the candy inspector' - Bruce, they're coming up with entirely new ideas based on their own interpretation of data they were never meant to take in or process! Think about what a night out could do to improve and continue that.
Then it's okay. I'd never tell a kid they shouldn't dress up as Cap for Halloween. [He might not see himself as a hero but he wouldn't ruin the holiday for a kid. And the Cap costumes were better than some of the ones he'd seen in stores and had disapproved of.]
I don't think there's anything wrong with one of them wanting to be a princess. They are like kids and kids get different notions all the time.
[Sentient security camera... that sounds kind of stalker-ish to Steve but he knows better than to even suggest that to Tony.]
Isn't there something in one of those Disney movies about capes?
They just want to have fun. It's kind of nice, seeing them make independent decisions and grow up a little bit, even if it's not that impressive by human standards. I just wonder if wearing a dress means they're developing an idea of their own genders.
Yeah, see, part of how I figured out the little guy was sentient was that he watches TV instead of panning and zooming around like he was supposed to. He might've gotten the idea from the Disney movies Clint watches with Nat when they marathon them. They do watch The Incredibles pretty often.
Tony, you've created robots that can make independent decisions. That's impressive by any standards. They're like the stuff I used to read about when I was a kid.
[When science was supposed to be something almost magical that would improve the world with no one thinking of the potential dangers.]
Wearing a dress could also mean that they want to build a snowman. [Steve keeps his expression serious, somehow managing not to grin.] Or they want a reindeer to play with.
At least he likes to watch TV instead of people. I mean he's supposed to watch people but it could have gotten creepy. [Yeah, his definition of 'creepy' has changed in the past few years.] If the movie was the reason, then he shouldn't want a cape. It ends bad for characters in capes.
Steve and Tony are like a reverse-color-coded Anna and Elsa.
There's a difference between minor decisions and wanting to do totally new things, coming up with their own ideas - Steve, I'm not. Not the fatherly type, obviously, I'd be awful at it. But sometimes I think maybe this is what it's like, to see them grow up and become their own people more and more. And I want to tell everyone how proud I am but most people just look at me and go, 'so what?' I swear, you and Bruce are the only ones who get me.
[Tony does a double take.] You watched Frozen? Independently, or did Clint rope you into it? He's obsessed, I swear.
Don't crush his dreams, Steve. Maybe he got the idea from watching the Superman reruns he keeps asking JARVIS to put on. Flying, for a being who I can barely re-design to walk? It's gotta be a magical thing. Maybe someday I'll take him around in the armor. Let him live the dream for a bit. More than my old man ever did for me unless my mom was twisting his arm to the breaking point, and even that wasn't exactly fun.
You're more of the fatherly type than you think. You treat the bots like they're kids. You're letting them choose. Even if you're not sure of what that choice means about gender, you're not against it. [When he was a kid, that wouldn't have been tolerated and Steve knows that it still isn't tolerated by many people.] Seems like good parenting skills to me.
I think people would be proud of it, but not for the right reasons. [It would be an accomplishment. An interesting trick like the stuff he'd seen at the Fair but it wouldn't be meaningful like it was to Tony or to the people who understood how important the robots were.
Pausing, he slowly begins to grin when Tony gets the reference.] I was an artist before the war. Went to Snow White when it first came out.
I think it was probably the Superman reruns that gave him the idea. But why can't you redesign him? Different - case? [That doesn't seem like the right word but it's a start.] Or framework? As long as the awareness is the same...
[Pausing, Steve wonders what he should say about Howard. He knows that it's a subject that needs to be handled carefully. The person he knew isn't the same one who had raised Tony.] If you can take him with you in the armor, you should. Just don't tell the rest of the team or they'll want you to take them flying too.
I'm not sure how much parenting skills I can have since I don't have conventional kids. I mean, JARVIS sort of became his own person but he had to help keep me from going too crazy in college, so I definitely fumbled the ball there, and I feel like if I'm going to be raising AI I need to go read some books on this. [All things, in Tony's mind, can be fixed by reading books on the subject. If he reads parenting books, obviously things will get better.] But then again, no matter how many books are written on sentient AI, people never see them as fellow people. That's what makes me worry about the future. Most parents don't have to worry if their kids will be seen as people, it comes with the territory.
So I take it you've been binging on animation and all its' progress since then. God, please tell me you've stayed away from the awful Disney sequels. They're all crap compared to the originals.
He doesn't want that big of a change. Waking up in a new body can be really traumatic for them. For now he's fine scuttling around the ceiling, perching atop couches and watching things he likes. If someone had told you instead of asking you to change bodies, how well would you have taken it, Steve? [Tony's never had a hard time grasping ahold of the idea that sufficiently advanced AI are people, aliens exist and technology had no limits but that of the imagination of those making it. He was raised that way, not just by Howard but by Maria, whose beliefs in ghosts and spirits were the closest thing to religion Tony would willingly come close to.]
I don't mind taking the team flying. Except Thor. He has his own weird-ass way of flying. And he's already got the cape.
There's no such thing as conventional kids. Even when they're not robots, normal doesn't exist. [Although Steve values book learning, he has a feeling that what is going on isn't a subject that anyone but Tony and a few others would be able to understand or appreciate.] People have been raising kids for centuries without books to tell them how. Even if you read the books, robots are different than children. They're going to grow in ways that no one can predict. If others don't see them that way... maybe you're the one who should write a book. Show the world what you see for AIs.
[It's tempting to say that the past is repeating itself except with AIs being the ones not being seen as people, but he wants to focus on what's good in this time instead of things that should have changed.]
There's something good about the animated movies. [Which probably sounded foolish from someone Steve's age, but after seeing some of the things that had been on his pop culture list, he needed something innocent to watch.] And the art... Never thought that it'd progress that far.
[The comment about the sequels catches his attention and he studies Tony for a moment.] Does that mean you've seen the sequels?
If he doesn't want that change then it shouldn't happen. It was weird enough knowing what could happen and waking up taller... I would've been angry but I wasn't exactly healthy. [If the choice had been forced on him, he would've resented it but he also knew the limitations he'd had. Up to a point. He might have been too stubborn to quit trying to enlist but eventually, the illnesses would have gotten worse.]
You really don't mind taking us flying?
Tony would be a fire version instead of an ice one. Because it's Tony.
Yeah, people went without books for centuries - which is why some really messed up ideas used to be a-okay for childrearing. Books, Steve. They give a basis to work off of. And I'm not sure I could write a book and be taken seriously given I'm not exactly unbiased on the subject. I keep an electronic journal on day to day life with the 'bots, but that's not academic enough for my crowd. [He shrugs. Sometimes a guy just can't win.]
Animation is art. Not the same medium as 'traditional' art, I suppose, but video games have been declared art by the Smithsonian, and what are video games if not art you can interact with? I'll have to get you a copy of Okami one day; it's an entire game done in traditional 1800's Japanese style and I'm guessing you didn't get to see a lot of that kind of art during the war, for obvious reasons.
[Tony heaves a long-suffering sigh, pinching the bridge of his nose in exasperation.] JARVIS likes everything Aladdin. His first - and to my knowledge, only - criminal act was downloading all the Aladdin sequels. And then DUM-E wanted to watch some and I now have a folder on my computer more hidden than porn because I can explain porn, I can't explain why anyone likes the Cinderella trilogy. [Yeah, he really just compared a bad movie to porn. That is how much his childhood was wounded by those sequels. Let 'em burn for all he cares.]
He's considering getting gliders put in. But if he's happy like this, I'm not going to make him do anything. I take after my mom in the parenting approach, apparently. And no, I don't mind taking you flying. It's kind of fun, actually, watching people's faces light up... it's fun and we saved the world, fuck it, we deserve a little impromptu aerial maneuvers.
[Bruce blinks, taking it all in. His eyes shift to the ground and back up, several comments and questions forming and dying on his lips - it's hard to chose between Million Turkey Marches and capes, really (not to mention alleged methods of madness) - so he sums it all up in another hum.
But it is fascinating and he finds himself sitting with Tony instead of heading back to his own workspace.] I guess their conceptualization of Halloween is all secondary sources, books, tv, uh, your narration? [He rests his chin on one hand, idly toying with a fabric that looks and feels like some sort of obscenely expensive silk.] I agree, if they develop creative responses from that, live experience might take it to a whole new level.
It's actually very little input from me. It's all media, so basically, all secondary sources. JARVIS has tried to fill them in when I was busy. Which means an AI is now giving other AIs information and they're forming ideas and making decisions based on that data. The human parenting aspect I normally have isn't an influence here - they're developing this into their own thing. They even have preferences on what they like and don't like for costumes and for colors, which I definitely never programmed them to do.
DUM-E was the first one to voice it, but from what I understand the security camera - I've been calling him Cameron - is the one who first came up with the idea. Bruce, they're talking to each other. They're almost on the developmental level of small children. [Tony is so, so proud, but also astonished. It's insane, to him, that they could all progress so quickly, move towards individuality like this.] One of the bots only wanted girl costumes. That's not enough to suggest we apply gender to them, but again, it shows distinct personal preferences!
This is true. I wouldn't put a kid in half the costumes they have now. too generic, and really not scary enough. [ Hey it's the one day of the year she actually likes getting freaked out okay. Rest of the time she tries to keep the scares limited to general Tony shenanigans. ]
There is a trick to it. [ Just don't ask her how she knows. ] Pretty sure you'll figure it out in half the time it would take me to explain it though.
Not all the bots want scary costumes. The security camera that came alive wants to be Sherlock Holmes, and one of the bots wants a ballgown. And on a robotic frame that means a shit ton of tulle. Which, as we've just covered, is working about as well as a broccoli McFlurry for me right now.
Teach me your tricks, Pepper. I work with metal, not fabric. This is uncharted territory.
I know! Isn't it great? And it's all developed by itself, no input from me whatsoever - I've been taking down notes and having JARVIS record everything and look through old footage to figure out when all this started.
Their emotional responses are limited, so far, but any emotion, even this, is a leap forward.
Steve would prefer fire. He's still not over the Capsicle issues
They give a basis, but they're not set rules. Some things rely on heart, not facts. Those books would say that the bots can't be what they are or that we shouldn't treat them like they're kids. [Maybe Steve shouldn't say 'we' but they are one of real wonders of the future. He had to think of them as people when he saw how Tony treated them.]
The journal would have a wider impact. Everyone keeps saying that AIs are going to be everywhere eventually. Why shouldn't you tell people what life with them can be like instead of just the technical details?
[More things to catch up with, but he doesn't mind as he mentally adds things to his list. Tony doesn't talk down to him or pity him.] I haven't gotten a chance to play many video games. I've been studying when I can, but even in school, I didn't have access to Japanese artwork. Sometimes I'd manage to get into a museum on the weekends, but most of the styles I learned were from library books.
[It wasn't a bad way for a kid to keep busy when he spent most of his time sick in bed. It'd kept him from resenting the illnesses and the times when he couldn't be 'normal'.
Despite knowing it's a silly reaction, Steve's gaze drifts up to the ceiling.] DUM-E liking Cinderella makes sense, but I wouldn't have guessed he was a fan of Aladdin.
[Somehow he manages to keep from laughing as Tony uses porn as a comparison when most people assumed Steve would faint if they even hinted about sex in front of him. His lips twitch but he holds back the smile... mostly.]
When he's ready - if he's ready - he'll ask. [Which is advice Steve probably should follow since his expression resembles a kid at Christmas before he remembers that he should act like an adult.] If you don't mind...
...is it bad I want to make an OC who's a huge Cap fanboy but has ice powers now?
'Rely on heart'? You're sounding like my mother now. But... maybe you're right. I'd like to have people see the 'bots like I do. I think with my upbringing I kind of forget, sometimes, that people don't see non-humans as people. I've been into sci-fi since I could climb onto the couch and work the remote. To me it's just how the world works: people are people.
[Tony looks over at Steve with a calculating expression, going through his own mental list of video games he'd enjoyed and trying to cross reference it with Steve's tastes. It's hard to picture Steve enjoying any of the mindless first person shooters out there, but there's a few things out there that might interest him. Idly, he grabs a spare piece of paper and writes out a small, quick list for Steve.] In no particular order, here's a list of the most artsy games I can think of. And remind me one day to remedy your lack of museum knowledge. There's a lot of good stuff to catch you up on. And a lot of really ridiculous bullshit, but it's the art world, that's not new.
[JARVIS doesn't sound ashamed, but remember who his creator is.] Correction, sir: I downloaded the animated series spin off as well.
Of course. [Tony chuckles.] If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. It's a Stark family tradition. [He puts down the tulle he was working with - worst material ever - and smiles at Steve, a chuckling smile that bodes poorly for the poor people who have to file paperwork regarding Tony's airspace law violations.]
You wanna go flying? I could use a break from the explosion of fabric, here, and the suit's always ready.
Sometimes instinct and heart is all we can go by. [For a few seconds, he thinks of how exciting the future had seemed and how he'd hoped that people would treat others better. There had been improvements, but it still bothered him that so much hadn't changed. Shaking his head, he pushes aside the thought.] I think people would listen if you discussed how AIs should be treated. If you try it, you might change the world again.
[Noticing the way Tony's studying him, he begins to wonder if he's going to end up in some Disney inspired costume. He manages to hide a sigh of relief when he realizes that it's another list, not a design for what he'll be wearing for Halloween]
I didn't know there were ones that weren't war games. [Something that had little appeal for him.] Tony, I can't just drag you away from your work to look at paintings.
[Why is it every time Tony looks at him like that he starts planning how he's going to get them both out of trouble when he should probably be thinking up ways to talk Tony out of whatever he's thinking of?]
Ye - I mean, we were talking about everyone on the team. Not just me.
[Even if he'd love to see what it was like to fly with the armor.]
Yep. You sound like my mom. It's a shame you two didn't meet - and a blessing, you'd have both made my old man actually come home sometimes and maybe even sleep in his own bed. The world as we know it might've imploded from the sheer wrongness of it all. [Tony shakes his head, though. For the mountains upon mountains of issues he has, he has to give it to Howard for understanding the sentience of other beings and passing it on to the next generation where it could be used. The question is, did Howard do it to further the Stark legacy and technology, or because it was the right thing to do and he cared about Tony's perceptions of things?
Best to go back to video games.] Okami is about the Japanese sun goddess taking the form of a wolf and regaining her powers to ward off an ancient evil. Yume Nikki is a game without dialogue - not big on the graphics, but it's supposed to be a game where the protagonist is a lucid dreamer who explores the worlds she dreams of. Psychonauts is a very stylized game but the story and humor are rock-solid, all kinds of different art styles there, even a level done like a black velvet painting. Amnesia The Dark Descent is a bit darker than your taste probably runs, I just thought you'd like the Victorian Germany setting and the fact the protagonist is too weak to fight and so he actually has to use his wits and stealth instead. And you need to play Sly Cooper because it's like playing a comic or a Saturday morning cartoon. It's just a lot of fun.
There are a lot of games that aren't about war. Also, if it bugs you I'll schedule time off so when we end up going I actually leave advance notice for once. Better? [See, Tony can do compromises. Really!]
How do you get through a war and suck that badly at lying?
No one could have made that happen, Tony. [His tone is teasing, but there's also truth to his words. Nothing had been able to distract Howard when he'd been focused on an idea. He doubts that changed over the years.] It would have caused the world to implode.
That's not the kind of stuff that people recommended to me. I didn't realize there were games that were about other times and cultures. It's always been those ones where you shoot things for no reason. I think I'd like those ones.
It'd make Pepper happy if you scheduled it. I don't want her coming after me because you skipped out on a meeting to go to the museum.
[There are times when Pepper seems more terrifying than some of the HYDRA agents he's dealt with.]
I'm not bad at lying! I'm bad at lying to my friends. And stealth wasn't necessary for someone wearing a target.
My mom tried. And sometimes it worked. More often than you'd think. A choir teacher doesn't get hitched to an inventor without a lot of willpower going into that... on his part. He asked her out and she laughed out loud and turned him down. Which hooked him, because nobody rejects the great Howard Stark, insults his clothes and tells him she has a real job to get to so he should do back to fiddling with trinkets. You know, with that kind of start to their romance, Clint and Natasha's not-dating-but-totally-dating thing makes sense. Hell, by that standard you and I would make sense.
The Assassin's Creed video game series made some waves for setting its' first game in the Middle East during the Crusades. The Doctor Lautrec game kept the 18th century Paris setting intact, though the animation was done by an Italian company - it's got a really unique look to it. The Penumbra series takes place in Greenland and draws on Greenlandic mythology to explain both the monsters in the game and - well, spoilers. But yeah, there are games that are set in all kinds of times and places. Japan produces half the world's video games right now but South Korean developers and French studios are picking up momentum, and a really stunning WW-I era game demoed out of Germany this year with a launch date next year. You'd be surprised the kind of things you can find out there. Sure, mindless shooters sell best, but that doesn't mean that's all there is. And if anyone deserves to kick back with a game and relax, it's you. You need a break. And to never take Natasha up on it if she challenges you to Dance Dance Revolution. She will destroy you. Just trust me on this.
[Tony snorts at Steve.] Pepper wouldn't be angry at you. She knows me, so she'd know who did the planning on it instantly.
I'll never understand your outfit. But who am I to doubt the Star Spangled Man With A Plan?
I never expected Howard to marry. [Actually, he hadn't ever imagined that Howard would marry. He was too caught up in his work and his image of the playboy genius... which somehow is completely different than the persona Tony has with the media.] It doesn't surprise me that was the type he liked. She was a challenge. Might have been why he always flirted with Peg - Agent Carter.
[That thought could have easily led him toward some of his regrets except he's distracted by the comment about Clint and Natasha... and about him and Tony.]
How would we make sense like that?
[Some of what Tony describes goes over his head. Not the words and terms like they did when he was first revived but the names of games that he's heard before but had no context for. It's kind of a relief that he doesn't try to explain everything, assuming Steve will either keep up or look it up later.]
I'll skip the WW-I era ones but the ones with older settings or the ones like cartoons. Those I wouldn't mind trying out. Not sure how relaxing they'll be but I'll try. I'm surprised you aren't encouraging me to take that challenge to see how bad I dance.
Knowing I planned it doesn't mean I'd be safe. She'll come after both of us if you skip a meeting.
[For a few seconds, Steve considers how to answer since he hadn't ever been fond of prancing around on stage in the tights.] People needed hope. No matter how embarrassing the shows and the propaganda movies had been, they'd helped people. Seeing someone in the newsreels making a difference... Also kept people shooting at me instead of my team.
Mom was a challenge for him his entire life. If you'd gotten to meet her you'd have seen the one liners flying around. I swear, in retrospect it was like sniping was making out for them. [And yet Tony honestly has no idea how much that describes his own personality, not even a little. He may be able to build armor that breaks the sound barrier, but actually figuring out his emotions? Nope. Not even a clue.]
We snipe with each other verbally. I mean, in a friendly way now that Loki's not pushing everyone's tempers to maximum warp speed. And we had a rough start like my parents. Except I don't think either of us could ever teach Choir for a living. Jesus, have you heard me sing? I blare my music loud so even I don't have to hear that shit.
[Steve's not dumb. Old fashioned does not mean dumb, it just means more fodder and material for jokes Steve is either getting used to or plotting revenge for, and occasional baffled questions by Tony when Steve uses a word or two of old slang. But slang actually shows a grasp of improvisational language and an active mind, so. Steve will figure it out and if he doesn't, he'll ask. It's not like Thor where Thor is too proud to say anything and then obviously-secretly texts Jane for answers. (That poor woman.)
It only hits Tony belated a WW-I game would be too close to home for Steve, but to be fair the 100 year anniversary of that conflict has come and gone. To Tony the first World War was never something he knew or researched. What's worse, most people might get their knowledge of the era from the game, which is just terrifying.]
Mmm. There are a lot of cartoon-style games out there. Drawn To Life is a neat game - you get to design your character and tons of objects in the world, so naturally I made as many Iron Man-esque things as possible. But, you know, I suck at drawing. There's some digital art games out there for the Nintendo 3DS, might be more your speed. Although no one can call themselves a gamer if they haven't played Pokemon - you know what, we'll take you to a GameStop one day and you can pick this stuff yourself, cut some time out of the explaining portion of this.
It's not about dancing with Natasha. It's about survival. I have never seen her miss a single move. Steve, she's kind of scary. That's not relaxing, it makes me go through all the combat training I've had since I got the suit in my head in case she attacks. Do not go near her during DDR.
I'll just tell her you needed it and I was trying to be a good friend. Then she'll be mostly mad at me and only for a while.
[Tony fiddles with the holoscreens of his computer, pulling up profiles of heroes Steve is bound not to recognize.] You're not the only symbol of hope for a country. But you see these? [He gestures to the assorted twenty-eight people in the images and screens.] They don't have back up and never have. You have back up now, and nothing is going to draw people's eyes more than my armor so you might as well invest in better colors. Or at least something with more bullet-proofing.
Oh. And if Fury ever asks I never told you about single-hero countries. [Tony makes a wiping motion with his hand, and the images disappear.] Nothing to see here.
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The cup stops halfway to his lips with a small
laugh, stop the presseschuckle, the ghost of a smile tugging at his lips.]Are you sending them trick or treating?
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[Yes, Tony is taking this seriously. Because his robots are showing creativity, the desire to do things beyond what they were programmed for, a willingness to explore the world - he feels so proud.]
Although I'd have to go with them. Or get someone to supervise. A lot of weirdos are out there, Bruce.
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You think they'd TP something? After all, it's standard Halloween protocol.
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JARVIS is being a stick in the mud and refusing to do anything for Halloween.
[Dryly, JARVIS chimes in,] Shall I feign the signs of a haunting, sir? I am hardly in the position to dress up.
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On a related note if JoAnn's Fabric and Crafts sends you a surprisingly large bill for me, this is why.
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How many stores did you buy all the stock from?
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One and a half. I'm not that incompetent. The rest of the second store is on speed dial, though. Tulle is a shitty material to work with and whoever invented it is crazy.
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If they want to dress up like that, then it's okay. [A few weeks ago, that was something Steve never thought he'd be saying but now he has no problem thinking of Tony's robots as self-aware.]
But if you're doing it just to see how I'll react, then no.
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[He picks up costume parts, turning them in his hands with a thoughtful hum.] So that's your plans, going out with them? No flashy parties, no Halloween fundraiser, no orange exhaust fume paintings in the sky?
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I made the sentient security camera a cape. I couldn't figure anything else out that was very Halloween-y.
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And the sentient security camera from the roof is really excited about his new cape. He wants a matching hat so he can be 'the candy inspector' - Bruce, they're coming up with entirely new ideas based on their own interpretation of data they were never meant to take in or process! Think about what a night out could do to improve and continue that.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with one of them wanting to be a princess. They are like kids and kids get different notions all the time.
[Sentient security camera... that sounds kind of stalker-ish to Steve but he knows better than to even suggest that to Tony.]
Isn't there something in one of those Disney movies about capes?
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Yeah, see, part of how I figured out the little guy was sentient was that he watches TV instead of panning and zooming around like he was supposed to. He might've gotten the idea from the Disney movies Clint watches with Nat when they marathon them. They do watch The Incredibles pretty often.
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[When science was supposed to be something almost magical that would improve the world with no one thinking of the potential dangers.]
Wearing a dress could also mean that they want to build a snowman. [Steve keeps his expression serious, somehow managing not to grin.] Or they want a reindeer to play with.
At least he likes to watch TV instead of people. I mean he's supposed to watch people but it could have gotten creepy. [Yeah, his definition of 'creepy' has changed in the past few years.] If the movie was the reason, then he shouldn't want a cape. It ends bad for characters in capes.
Steve and Tony are like a reverse-color-coded Anna and Elsa.
[Tony does a double take.] You watched Frozen? Independently, or did Clint rope you into it? He's obsessed, I swear.
Don't crush his dreams, Steve. Maybe he got the idea from watching the Superman reruns he keeps asking JARVIS to put on. Flying, for a being who I can barely re-design to walk? It's gotta be a magical thing. Maybe someday I'll take him around in the armor. Let him live the dream for a bit. More than my old man ever did for me unless my mom was twisting his arm to the breaking point, and even that wasn't exactly fun.
There's an AU there that's waiting to happen. XD
I think people would be proud of it, but not for the right reasons. [It would be an accomplishment. An interesting trick like the stuff he'd seen at the Fair but it wouldn't be meaningful like it was to Tony or to the people who understood how important the robots were.
Pausing, he slowly begins to grin when Tony gets the reference.] I was an artist before the war. Went to Snow White when it first came out.
I think it was probably the Superman reruns that gave him the idea. But why can't you redesign him? Different - case? [That doesn't seem like the right word but it's a start.] Or framework? As long as the awareness is the same...
[Pausing, Steve wonders what he should say about Howard. He knows that it's a subject that needs to be handled carefully. The person he knew isn't the same one who had raised Tony.] If you can take him with you in the armor, you should. Just don't tell the rest of the team or they'll want you to take them flying too.
...I want to write that now.
So I take it you've been binging on animation and all its' progress since then. God, please tell me you've stayed away from the awful Disney sequels. They're all crap compared to the originals.
He doesn't want that big of a change. Waking up in a new body can be really traumatic for them. For now he's fine scuttling around the ceiling, perching atop couches and watching things he likes. If someone had told you instead of asking you to change bodies, how well would you have taken it, Steve? [Tony's never had a hard time grasping ahold of the idea that sufficiently advanced AI are people, aliens exist and technology had no limits but that of the imagination of those making it. He was raised that way, not just by Howard but by Maria, whose beliefs in ghosts and spirits were the closest thing to religion Tony would willingly come close to.]
I don't mind taking the team flying. Except Thor. He has his own weird-ass way of flying. And he's already got the cape.
Dooooo it XD
[It's tempting to say that the past is repeating itself except with AIs being the ones not being seen as people, but he wants to focus on what's good in this time instead of things that should have changed.]
There's something good about the animated movies. [Which probably sounded foolish from someone Steve's age, but after seeing some of the things that had been on his pop culture list, he needed something innocent to watch.] And the art... Never thought that it'd progress that far.
[The comment about the sequels catches his attention and he studies Tony for a moment.] Does that mean you've seen the sequels?
If he doesn't want that change then it shouldn't happen. It was weird enough knowing what could happen and waking up taller... I would've been angry but I wasn't exactly healthy. [If the choice had been forced on him, he would've resented it but he also knew the limitations he'd had. Up to a point. He might have been too stubborn to quit trying to enlist but eventually, the illnesses would have gotten worse.]
You really don't mind taking us flying?
Tony would be a fire version instead of an ice one. Because it's Tony.
Animation is art. Not the same medium as 'traditional' art, I suppose, but video games have been declared art by the Smithsonian, and what are video games if not art you can interact with? I'll have to get you a copy of Okami one day; it's an entire game done in traditional 1800's Japanese style and I'm guessing you didn't get to see a lot of that kind of art during the war, for obvious reasons.
[Tony heaves a long-suffering sigh, pinching the bridge of his nose in exasperation.] JARVIS likes everything Aladdin. His first - and to my knowledge, only - criminal act was downloading all the Aladdin sequels. And then DUM-E wanted to watch some and I now have a folder on my computer more hidden than porn because I can explain porn, I can't explain why anyone likes the Cinderella trilogy. [Yeah, he really just compared a bad movie to porn. That is how much his childhood was wounded by those sequels. Let 'em burn for all he cares.]
He's considering getting gliders put in. But if he's happy like this, I'm not going to make him do anything. I take after my mom in the parenting approach, apparently. And no, I don't mind taking you flying. It's kind of fun, actually, watching people's faces light up... it's fun and we saved the world, fuck it, we deserve a little impromptu aerial maneuvers.
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But it is fascinating and he finds himself sitting with Tony instead of heading back to his own workspace.] I guess their conceptualization of Halloween is all secondary sources, books, tv, uh, your narration? [He rests his chin on one hand, idly toying with a fabric that looks and feels like some sort of obscenely expensive silk.] I agree, if they develop creative responses from that, live experience might take it to a whole new level.
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DUM-E was the first one to voice it, but from what I understand the security camera - I've been calling him Cameron - is the one who first came up with the idea. Bruce, they're talking to each other. They're almost on the developmental level of small children. [Tony is so, so proud, but also astonished. It's insane, to him, that they could all progress so quickly, move towards individuality like this.] One of the bots only wanted girl costumes. That's not enough to suggest we apply gender to them, but again, it shows distinct personal preferences!
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There is a trick to it. [ Just don't ask her how she knows. ] Pretty sure you'll figure it out in half the time it would take me to explain it though.
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Teach me your tricks, Pepper. I work with metal, not fabric. This is uncharted territory.
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Tack it in place with a low heat glue gun then sew.
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That's huge, Tony.
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Their emotional responses are limited, so far, but any emotion, even this, is a leap forward.
Steve would prefer fire. He's still not over the Capsicle issues
The journal would have a wider impact. Everyone keeps saying that AIs are going to be everywhere eventually. Why shouldn't you tell people what life with them can be like instead of just the technical details?
[More things to catch up with, but he doesn't mind as he mentally adds things to his list. Tony doesn't talk down to him or pity him.] I haven't gotten a chance to play many video games. I've been studying when I can, but even in school, I didn't have access to Japanese artwork. Sometimes I'd manage to get into a museum on the weekends, but most of the styles I learned were from library books.
[It wasn't a bad way for a kid to keep busy when he spent most of his time sick in bed. It'd kept him from resenting the illnesses and the times when he couldn't be 'normal'.
Despite knowing it's a silly reaction, Steve's gaze drifts up to the ceiling.] DUM-E liking Cinderella makes sense, but I wouldn't have guessed he was a fan of Aladdin.
[Somehow he manages to keep from laughing as Tony uses porn as a comparison when most people assumed Steve would faint if they even hinted about sex in front of him. His lips twitch but he holds back the smile... mostly.]
When he's ready - if he's ready - he'll ask. [Which is advice Steve probably should follow since his expression resembles a kid at Christmas before he remembers that he should act like an adult.] If you don't mind...
...is it bad I want to make an OC who's a huge Cap fanboy but has ice powers now?
[Tony looks over at Steve with a calculating expression, going through his own mental list of video games he'd enjoyed and trying to cross reference it with Steve's tastes. It's hard to picture Steve enjoying any of the mindless first person shooters out there, but there's a few things out there that might interest him. Idly, he grabs a spare piece of paper and writes out a small, quick list for Steve.] In no particular order, here's a list of the most artsy games I can think of. And remind me one day to remedy your lack of museum knowledge. There's a lot of good stuff to catch you up on. And a lot of really ridiculous bullshit, but it's the art world, that's not new.
[JARVIS doesn't sound ashamed, but remember who his creator is.] Correction, sir: I downloaded the animated series spin off as well.
Of course. [Tony chuckles.] If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. It's a Stark family tradition. [He puts down the tulle he was working with - worst material ever - and smiles at Steve, a chuckling smile that bodes poorly for the poor people who have to file paperwork regarding Tony's airspace law violations.]
You wanna go flying? I could use a break from the explosion of fabric, here, and the suit's always ready.
As long as Steve doesn't end up a Capsicle again.
[Noticing the way Tony's studying him, he begins to wonder if he's going to end up in some Disney inspired costume. He manages to hide a sigh of relief when he realizes that it's another list, not a design for what he'll be wearing for Halloween]
I didn't know there were ones that weren't war games. [Something that had little appeal for him.] Tony, I can't just drag you away from your work to look at paintings.
[Why is it every time Tony looks at him like that he starts planning how he's going to get them both out of trouble when he should probably be thinking up ways to talk Tony out of whatever he's thinking of?]
Ye - I mean, we were talking about everyone on the team. Not just me.
[Even if he'd love to see what it was like to fly with the armor.]
Poor Steve...
Best to go back to video games.] Okami is about the Japanese sun goddess taking the form of a wolf and regaining her powers to ward off an ancient evil. Yume Nikki is a game without dialogue - not big on the graphics, but it's supposed to be a game where the protagonist is a lucid dreamer who explores the worlds she dreams of. Psychonauts is a very stylized game but the story and humor are rock-solid, all kinds of different art styles there, even a level done like a black velvet painting. Amnesia The Dark Descent is a bit darker than your taste probably runs, I just thought you'd like the Victorian Germany setting and the fact the protagonist is too weak to fight and so he actually has to use his wits and stealth instead. And you need to play Sly Cooper because it's like playing a comic or a Saturday morning cartoon. It's just a lot of fun.
There are a lot of games that aren't about war. Also, if it bugs you I'll schedule time off so when we end up going I actually leave advance notice for once. Better? [See, Tony can do compromises. Really!]
How do you get through a war and suck that badly at lying?
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That's not the kind of stuff that people recommended to me. I didn't realize there were games that were about other times and cultures. It's always been those ones where you shoot things for no reason. I think I'd like those ones.
It'd make Pepper happy if you scheduled it. I don't want her coming after me because you skipped out on a meeting to go to the museum.
[There are times when Pepper seems more terrifying than some of the HYDRA agents he's dealt with.]
I'm not bad at lying! I'm bad at lying to my friends. And stealth wasn't necessary for someone wearing a target.
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The Assassin's Creed video game series made some waves for setting its' first game in the Middle East during the Crusades. The Doctor Lautrec game kept the 18th century Paris setting intact, though the animation was done by an Italian company - it's got a really unique look to it. The Penumbra series takes place in Greenland and draws on Greenlandic mythology to explain both the monsters in the game and - well, spoilers. But yeah, there are games that are set in all kinds of times and places. Japan produces half the world's video games right now but South Korean developers and French studios are picking up momentum, and a really stunning WW-I era game demoed out of Germany this year with a launch date next year. You'd be surprised the kind of things you can find out there. Sure, mindless shooters sell best, but that doesn't mean that's all there is. And if anyone deserves to kick back with a game and relax, it's you. You need a break. And to never take Natasha up on it if she challenges you to Dance Dance Revolution. She will destroy you. Just trust me on this.
[Tony snorts at Steve.] Pepper wouldn't be angry at you. She knows me, so she'd know who did the planning on it instantly.
I'll never understand your outfit. But who am I to doubt the Star Spangled Man With A Plan?
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[That thought could have easily led him toward some of his regrets except he's distracted by the comment about Clint and Natasha... and about him and Tony.]
How would we make sense like that?
[Some of what Tony describes goes over his head. Not the words and terms like they did when he was first revived but the names of games that he's heard before but had no context for. It's kind of a relief that he doesn't try to explain everything, assuming Steve will either keep up or look it up later.]
I'll skip the WW-I era ones but the ones with older settings or the ones like cartoons. Those I wouldn't mind trying out. Not sure how relaxing they'll be but I'll try. I'm surprised you aren't encouraging me to take that challenge to see how bad I dance.
Knowing I planned it doesn't mean I'd be safe. She'll come after both of us if you skip a meeting.
[For a few seconds, Steve considers how to answer since he hadn't ever been fond of prancing around on stage in the tights.] People needed hope. No matter how embarrassing the shows and the propaganda movies had been, they'd helped people. Seeing someone in the newsreels making a difference... Also kept people shooting at me instead of my team.
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We snipe with each other verbally. I mean, in a friendly way now that Loki's not pushing everyone's tempers to maximum warp speed. And we had a rough start like my parents. Except I don't think either of us could ever teach Choir for a living. Jesus, have you heard me sing? I blare my music loud so even I don't have to hear that shit.
[Steve's not dumb. Old fashioned does not mean dumb, it just means more fodder and material for jokes Steve is either getting used to or plotting revenge for, and occasional baffled questions by Tony when Steve uses a word or two of old slang. But slang actually shows a grasp of improvisational language and an active mind, so. Steve will figure it out and if he doesn't, he'll ask. It's not like Thor where Thor is too proud to say anything and then obviously-secretly texts Jane for answers. (That poor woman.)
It only hits Tony belated a WW-I game would be too close to home for Steve, but to be fair the 100 year anniversary of that conflict has come and gone. To Tony the first World War was never something he knew or researched. What's worse, most people might get their knowledge of the era from the game, which is just terrifying.]
Mmm. There are a lot of cartoon-style games out there. Drawn To Life is a neat game - you get to design your character and tons of objects in the world, so naturally I made as many Iron Man-esque things as possible. But, you know, I suck at drawing. There's some digital art games out there for the Nintendo 3DS, might be more your speed. Although no one can call themselves a gamer if they haven't played Pokemon - you know what, we'll take you to a GameStop one day and you can pick this stuff yourself, cut some time out of the explaining portion of this.
It's not about dancing with Natasha. It's about survival. I have never seen her miss a single move. Steve, she's kind of scary. That's not relaxing, it makes me go through all the combat training I've had since I got the suit in my head in case she attacks. Do not go near her during DDR.
I'll just tell her you needed it and I was trying to be a good friend. Then she'll be mostly mad at me and only for a while.
[Tony fiddles with the holoscreens of his computer, pulling up profiles of heroes Steve is bound not to recognize.] You're not the only symbol of hope for a country. But you see these? [He gestures to the assorted twenty-eight people in the images and screens.] They don't have back up and never have. You have back up now, and nothing is going to draw people's eyes more than my armor so you might as well invest in better colors. Or at least something with more bullet-proofing.
Oh. And if Fury ever asks I never told you about single-hero countries. [Tony makes a wiping motion with his hand, and the images disappear.] Nothing to see here.